Sheepballs Cues

by | Jul 19, 2021

Adding cues is cool

…when you really understand the process and are diligent in application.

It seems to be the goal that draws the most folk “to get the dog to do it”. It looks cool to onlookers when a dog does what you say, promptly. But for me not only promptly, but with a joy and confidence which is a reflection of the learning process.

Note I use “learning”, not “training”. It does not matter what you think you trained the dog to do, it is what they learned that we shall see.

Those critical cues

Sheepdog training was the first time I really learned what a cue was all about. Let’s refresh the centuries old, successful, proven process.

We teach the young dog how to respond and develop their skills through managing the sheep. To train a dog we need to be able to manage and predict the behaviour of sheep.

Firstly we set up situations for the dog to find the point of balance – holding the sheep to us at the 12 position: This is evidenced by the sheep facing away from the dog

sheepdog balance

I can then take a step or two backwards, and because sheep consider the power of a dog is much stronger than mine, the sheep will move away from the dog and step towards me. The dog will be attracted to follow the rear end of the sheep.

encouraging the walk on

I can then go walkabout, I walk backwards in a large figure of 8, knowing the sheep will continually turn to me, the dog will learn to move small distances, flanking, left and right to re-find their point of balance.

At any time I can bring the party to a stop.

I will then begin to increase the amount of flanking the dog will need to do, and give the sheep a rest, they can stand still and just turn to face me as the dog finds their power and re-balances. The right type of sheep is important. The dog will be rewarded (dopamine boost) from the controlling aspect of the sheep turning off their movements and position.

All the time the cues for the dog come from the sheep which I have engineered to demand a specific and predictable response. In the early days these responses will look a little ragged and rough, but as the dog gains confidence they will develop their style and subtleties of response.

This will be the time to begin adding the lifetime cues provided the responses are 90% as I predict.

Minimal cues

There are only the 5 working cues:

Turn left 90° and continue: this is often “come bye”

Turn right 90° and continue; this is often “away to me”

Come to a stop: “stand there, stand or down”

Walk on: “walk on, get up”

That’ll do – time for tea.

These cues are delivered both verbally and with a whistle. The verbal cue and whistle cue can be delivered with the same tone and pitch and the dog will transfer immediately. No shit sherlock, dogs hear tonal range delivered over phrases, not words. This is the traditional, successful method. This was surpassed by the obedience fraternity in favour of single, monotone words. Not an improvement.

Modifiers

The 4 working cues can then be modified through volume or pitch. You can have a soft stop or a hard stop, depending on how you deliver it, a Step-Careful to your left or right, or Get-Your-finger-out-we’re-in-trouble, left or right. The Welsh speakers are particularly good at this.

Most will add on a sssh, to ask for increased acceleration once moving in the right direction – a transition from walk to trot to gallop, go faster.

Ready for cues?

Add a cue too early, before the dog is consistent in the move or action, and you will have a lifelong inconsistent response to tidy up. The dog will also demonstrate some hesitancy or uncertainty whether this response will be the right one or not, or question whether a reward is forthcoming or not.

sheepdog balance

The behaviour we want the dog to respond or react to when hearing the cue is the turn, NOT the running alongside the sheep. It is the turn we teach, the dog is then travelled on the circle. 

The new cue: old cue, protocol will work very successfully on single movement, (turns, hard stop). Cues during the repetitive movement can be used when the action is repeating – running, slowing down, walk on, etc.

Changing the hierarchy

The working cue is the movement of the sheep, and to some small degree, you. But if you are too significant and dominate the responses, when you step out of the picture the dog will be at a loss.

There is a hierarchy, which often has to be changed.

We use it all the time when leaving the dog to choose what to do, where to go, and then we call them to us. As they run around freely they are responding to events and the environment, but when we cue the return to us, that cue becomes the dominant one.

On sheep, we will need to progress to change the sheep from being the dominant cue to the verbal/whistle being the dominant, NO MATTER WHAT THE SHEEP ARE DOING. The placement of the dog causes a response in the sheep which becomes the dog’s reward. This is one of the hardest transitions.

sheepdog balance

 

I also teach the “come to a stop”, and later the hard stop. Two types of “wait”.

“Walk on” is secured by pulling the ball backwards with the base of my shoe.

Additionally because I work on more precision movement with the Cup on a Stick, I will have a lateral movement of left and right.

This is Time demonstrating this. I know you have all probably seen this, but look for the difference between a “soft” left or right” and the full run on your circle.

Your choice

You can pretty much add a cue to anything that is a predictable action or change of movement.

You can choose your left and right, but from traditional sheep dog training, the phrases travel better: “come bye” and “away to me”, obedience word-format is not easily heard over long distances.

The secret, and discipline, is not to add working cues until the behaviour is stable and consistent. Be sure what the existing cue is, as perceived by the dog (it may be your pivot turn, arm drawing backwards, change of balance to kick).

Plan to alter the hierarchy, and ask for your verbal/whistle to override the old cue by arranging the rewards.

 

Off to buy a sheepdog whistle now! 

 

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2 Comments

  1. Karen

    Always a RED-LETTER day when I receive your emails! Cues. How is a dog supposed to understand their meaning when my own human (70-ish) can’t understand, “It’s in the cupboard.” Which one?
    ( ….same place the butter has been for the last 20 years….)

    Possibly your easiest question ever: Where do you purchase your sheep balls?

    I’m Stateside and have looked online six ways to Sunday. I’ve found balls with sheep on them for the drying machine, Kong balls, and other balls for fetching which are usually hard.

    My BC and I could both use a little plushness in our lives!

    All the best,
    Karen

    Reply
    • Kay Laurence

      Hah! Emails will be coming more frequently now …. Biscuits for Breakfast.

      The Balls are from IKEA

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